Juli ([info]mst3k4evr) wrote in [info]cf_abby_tribute,

Man Whines About Wife's Hot Flashes

Dear Annie: For the past year, my wife, "Janie," has been getting hot flashes. She is always broiling in the house while the rest of the family freezes. She insists on keeping the temperature at 70, while the rest of us are most comfortable at 74. She recently purchased warm slippers for everyone and suggested we wear long sleeves.

Annie, I like to wear T-shirts and walk barefoot. I work long hours, and when I come home, I like to shed most of my clothes. I pay the mortgage and should not be freezing in my own home. Our family doctor said the hot flashes could last for years. I say she is disrespectful to all of us. She says I am insensitive. We are at an impasse.

I found out she is looking for an apartment. I love my wife and beg you to help us before it's too late. -- Upstate New York Where It's 20 Degrees Outside

Dear New York: You think you're uncomfortable? Imagine how your wife feels with an internal thermostat that periodically sets her on fire. The U.S. Dept. of Energy recommends that your home thermostat be set at 68 degrees in winter (78 degrees in summer). You can warm up more easily than your wife can cool down.

We recommend a compromise. You offer to be comfortable in sweats if she will speak to her doctor about medication to control her hot flashes or visit a health food store for more natural remedies. A pair of slippers and some hot cocoa seems a small price to pay to save your marriage.

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[info]mst3k4evr

February 24 2012, 16:04:23 UTC 3 months ago

I pay the mortgage and should not be freezing in my own home.

This line makes him sound like one of those husbands that demands that things in their household go his way and to hell with everyone else.

[info]cumaeansibyl

February 24 2012, 16:07:20 UTC 3 months ago

Yep. Also lol at the melodrama. He is FREEZING, y'all, freezing at a bone-chilling 70 degrees. It's practically abusive, what she's doing to him.

I keep my thermostat at 65 because I'm cheap, so I'm always a little cold, and I would kill for 70 right now.

[info]macychick

2 months ago

[info]jocelyncs

3 months ago

[info]kayla_la

3 months ago

[info]cumaeansibyl

February 24 2012, 16:05:47 UTC 3 months ago

74? Am I reading this right?

I'm one of those perpetually cold people, and I think there's something wrong with you. Are you, y'know, getting enough iron in your diet? Or are you just so used to cranking the thermostat to ridiculous levels that you can't stand being only slightly warmer than the rest of us?

And look, she even bought you all fuzzy slippers because she knows you're unhappy and she wants to help.

(Of course there's probably a lot of stuff going on besides the thermostat if she's looking to move out, but beyond the temperature issue standing in for "disrespectful" and "insensitive," I can't really speculate.)

[info]high_tower

February 24 2012, 17:16:24 UTC 3 months ago

I'm also one of those always cold people and my compromise is to always have a heavy blanket by the couch, and I have a small space heater that I can turn to face just myself or can put on rotate so everyone is warmed by it.

At work I once turned the heat up by my desk on high, I meant to do it briefly just to get some warmth going since I was the first one in that day, but I forgot about it and left for a meeting. When I came back my co-worker, whose desk is right next to mine, was wearing just a tank top and the heat was off completely. I've never forgotten to turn it down again since and I just brought in a couple of extra sweaters.

[info]peskipiksi

3 months ago

[info]macychick

2 months ago

[info]mahasin

February 24 2012, 16:11:56 UTC 3 months ago

Honestly, I totally get both of their sides.

I have a blood condition that makes me cold all of the time. I'd love to keep the apartment temperature at 85, but I don't live alone and realize that boiling my SO alive isn't exactly a kind thing to do.

I also worked for years with a bunch of women who were menopausal who would keep the fans blowing in our already too cold for me office.

So yeah, compromise, I live in sweat pants and hoodies in the summer, and he lives in his boxers in the winter.

[info]faecat

February 24 2012, 16:55:05 UTC 3 months ago

Seriously. I'm the only one in my office who isn't going through menopause, so the thermostat is set to "comfortable during hot flashes" and everyone else is going around fanning themselves while I'm wearing two extra cardigans over my work clothes.

[info]khh1138

2 months ago

[info]box_of_rocks

February 24 2012, 16:33:11 UTC 3 months ago

Christ, I'm not anywhere close to menopausal but I would be sweating like crazy at 74 in the winter! I like it at 66!

Meds to control hot flashes can have a lot of side effects, up to and including blood clots and strokes. And "natural" meds can have plenty of side effects too. Dude needs to put on some damn sweats and stfu.

[info]aerynalexander

February 24 2012, 16:55:48 UTC 3 months ago

I hear you. It was over 70 last night where I live, and I could barely sleep, even with the fan. Sixty-six is awesome. Sixty-four is even better.

[info]janusdog

February 24 2012, 16:47:36 UTC 3 months ago

This guy is throwing a grenade in his relationship for 4 degrees. Methinks he's a controlling asshole and that's why she's looking for an apartment. Way to have empathy for her health issues, you jerk.

[info]beanrows

February 24 2012, 17:14:51 UTC 3 months ago

Seriously. "Disrespectful to all of us?" Yes, the wife should be sooooooo sorry for daring to go through a natural process beyond her control. No wonder she's looking for an apartment.

[info]bedesiderata

3 months ago

[info]ragnor144

February 24 2012, 16:52:02 UTC 3 months ago

He can add layers, she can only strip down to nothing and get fans going. That provides me *some* relief when it is bad, but I still am dripping sweat, and I don't have it at 74 degrees. His statements about who pays the mortgage doesn't make me hopeful on this one.

[info]kayla_la

February 24 2012, 19:10:49 UTC 3 months ago

Unfortunately part of the problem is once it gets to that point, where you're having to sit around with a fan on, you pretty much can't do anything productive. I mean, for them, it helps them warm up to move around and get things done, but in the other direction, and for her especially, moving around when she's already hot could mean fainting (or worse). At best, it'd mean not getting anything done, and I know I'd be frustrated not being able to be productive because my husband didn't want to put a sweater on or whatever.

[info]joshua_glass

2 months ago

[info]garpu

February 24 2012, 17:10:52 UTC 3 months ago

I'm thinking there are other issues besides the thermostat. Wonder if he's ever been to the doctor for metabolic/thyroid issues?

[info]aiti_kilpikonna

February 24 2012, 20:55:57 UTC 3 months ago

Or being a controlling rageaholic makes him ruddy and sweaty all the time.

[info]rainarana

February 24 2012, 17:14:10 UTC 3 months ago

The temperature issue is a symptom, not a cause. The guy is a controlling dickhead and the rest of the family doesn't sound like they're much better. I get cold sometimes too, but I've never set the thermostat higher than 70. Seriously, 74? Are you kidding, that would roast most people. And a long sleeved pullover and slippers is just as comfy as a t-shirt and barefoot.

[info]shiori_hime

February 24 2012, 18:33:51 UTC 3 months ago

I have a lot of sympathy for people who just can't get comfortable in the weather, whatever the weather may be. I have been in plenty of situations where I just couldn't get comfortable with the temperature for whatever reason -- like the summer I lived in Japan and it got to be 100 degrees outside (apartment air conditioner couldn't handle it, offices don't usually turn the air down past the mid-80s, there's only so much clothing you can take off before getting arrested for indecent exposure) or that one winter a couple of years back where no matter WHAT I did I just could not get warm enough.

But here's the thing. There's a huge difference between can't do anything to get comfortable and won't do anything to get comfortable. The way this situation is described it sounds like LW won't do what he can, while the wife can't do a whole lot. Now I don't know, maybe Janie is dressing in twenty layers of sweaters, chugging boiling water, and sitting under a pile of blankets all the time, and then complaining about being hot and forcing everyone else to accommodate her by turning the thermostat down. But it doesn't sound like that's what is going on. Like it or not, it's probably easier for LW and the other cold people in the house to find ways to warm up that don't involve raising the temperature than it is for Janie to find ways to cool down. I agree with Annie's advice, though I would add that the medicine aspect shouldn't be a deal-breaker (i.e. LW shouldn't declare that he doesn't have to change his ways if Janie doesn't start taking medicine). LW is being insensitive. He and the others in the house need to work out a good compromise with Janie that doesn't involve undue suffering on anyone's part, or he needs to let his wife have her own apartment so they can both set the thermostat to whatever they want in their own respective homes.

[info]commanderd

February 25 2012, 11:34:49 UTC 2 months ago

I like this comment.

I worked in an office where the air con couldn't cope with people *and* computers being in the same building (really good for an IT department..) so the temperature regularly hit 87-88 degrees farenheit inside there. And we couldn't open the windows. It was a hellhole and all of us would have gladly traded the office being cold and having to put another layer on rather than working out how we could remove a layer of skin.

[info]67threnody

February 24 2012, 18:59:02 UTC 3 months ago

Oh, please. If male menopause involved the dude's nuts heating up to an uncomfortable temperature, Mr. King of the Castle Who Pays the Mortgage would be demanding that everybody freeze, just for him. He sounds like a controlling jerk.

[info]peskipiksi

February 24 2012, 20:08:07 UTC 3 months ago

I lol'ed.

[info]kayla_la

February 24 2012, 19:06:18 UTC 3 months ago

You can warm up more easily than your wife can cool down.

Yes. I am someone that gets warm very easily and it's like people forget this. They can put on a sweater, but it isn't as easy to go in the other direction. It's not like she's doing it to spite them, it sounds like she genuinely can't help it, so I don't know what he expects his griping to do about it. Like she can hit a switch and be all better just to please him. I'd probably move out too in her case. I do hope they can work it out, though.

[info]jaralith

February 24 2012, 19:19:36 UTC 3 months ago

I am one of those people who is always cold. The BF is always hot. So the thermostat is set low for my tastes in the winter and I get a damn blanket. Problem solved, and we save money on the electric bill!

This guy is a self-centered turd.

[info]cumaeansibyl

February 24 2012, 20:22:26 UTC 3 months ago

Also, there's one more thing that's nagging at me. Check out his signature: "Upstate New York Where It's 20 Degrees Outside"

Hey dumbass, whether it's 20 degrees or 120 degrees outside, 70 degrees is the same goddamn temperature. You would probably be fine in short sleeves on a 70-degree day -- hell, I live in Michigan, I've greeted the first 60-degree day in short sleeves and loved it, where on a 60-degree day in fall I'd be breaking out the sweaters (and loving it -- first sweater day, in its way, is just as great as first T-shirt day). I get the psychology, trust me, but I'm also aware of it.

At any rate, my point is that 70 degrees will not freeze you to death even if it's 20 degrees outside, or 20 below. You're still at 70 degrees.

And why do I suspect you're one of those assholes who cranks the A/C down to 65 in the summer and then bitches about his power bills?

[info]aiti_kilpikonna

February 24 2012, 20:51:55 UTC 3 months ago

74??? Ugh I'm not even menopausal and I'd be clambering to open a window. Bleh.

I think the compromise sucks, because the "medication" to control hot flashes is hormones that can cause cancer. And the "health food" supplements aren't a whole lot better (they are hormone mimickers). Why should she load her body with potentially toxic chemicals so her whinyassed husband can wander around the house in his shorts?

[info]commanderd

February 25 2012, 11:31:35 UTC 2 months ago

because the "medication" to control hot flashes is hormones that can cause cancer I thought they put women on the Pill? Or, like my mother, give her a Mirena.

[info]khh1138

2 months ago

[info]dgcatanisiri

February 24 2012, 21:55:57 UTC 3 months ago

My house gets stuffy after 72 degrees. I'd be cranking it down from 74 myself just to breathe, and I run warm to begin with. You, LW, are being disrespectful to her by not acknowledging that this is something she CAN'T do anything about on her own. Medical requirements trump minor discomforts/inconveniences. Go to the closet, put on a sweater, shut up, and deal with it.

[info]lohankinv

February 24 2012, 22:29:50 UTC 3 months ago Edited:  February 24 2012, 22:30:52 UTC

Seems like the problem is in the marriage, not in temperature levels. See in my family i am the "volcano" and my wife is always freezing. We're keeping it cold, but in our bedroom we have space heater. I'm sweating every night, but during the day, my wife's wearing 2 layers. I mean if relationships ok, everything else is negotiable.

[info]yumcheesy

February 24 2012, 23:50:26 UTC 3 months ago

he should just use a space heater :-p

[info]northernwalker

February 25 2012, 00:11:25 UTC 3 months ago

70 is freezing? The hell?

[info]3speed

February 27 2012, 22:06:39 UTC 2 months ago

Right? I only kick on the heater when it drops below 60 in the house, or my nose gets numb. Whichever comes first.

[info]narfenugen

February 25 2012, 01:50:05 UTC 3 months ago

I'm sure glad I'm not paying Upstate's heating bill!

[info]dazeydevyne

February 25 2012, 02:23:55 UTC 3 months ago

Jeezus- this post made me realize how fucking hardcore I am. I live in a 5th wheel, and for some reason, the fates have decided that every heating system in the place shits the bed at once: the fire place glitched out in the fall, the first heaters I had caused fuses to trip and leave me with NO power, the furnace decides to cut out periodically and my NEW baseboard heater shorted out and melted to the powerbar it was plugged into. Oh, and apparently, when the batteries in the thermostat remote burn out, the furnace won't kick in.

Point being, I have woken up to the temperature in my "house" (lol, house) at a nice toasty 54, on more than a dozen occasions. Even when it's working perfectly, I STILL only keep it at 68. If it was that warm, I'd go broke.

[info]commanderd

February 25 2012, 11:29:47 UTC 2 months ago

Listen up you colossal wanker - your wife has a MEDICAL condition that is causing her to have intense sweats and boiling skin. It's not something she's decided to have, unless you believe ALL physical maladies are 'disrespectful' to you and she's a bad person for daring to have anything wrong with her.

I get hot flushes too (bloody medications screwing up my hormones) and they honestly are far more detrimental to getting anything done than your need to put another layer of clothing on.

Marriage is supposed to be a two-way street, you are behaving like the street is one-way, yours, and covered in dog poo.

[info]aspirindamage

February 25 2012, 20:54:52 UTC 2 months ago

I'm sure I'll get flamed plenty for this for not agreeing with everyone else here, but I'm more on the husband's side.

I (temporarily, thankfully) live with my mother and father. My mother is going through menopause. I'm sure it sucks, and I'm sure it's uncomfortable, but I'm not sure why her desires override the other two people in the house. She opens all the windows in the house, turns off the heat, turns on fans, whatever she can. I run cold as it is, but I don't see why I have to bundle myself up in my house in mulitple layers and socks, and hide under blankets just because my mother gets a hot flash. If we're driving, she opens the windows and turns on the AC. My father and I do not get a say, at all. She's also a toxic narcissist, so she has plenty of other issues. My mother's desires are number one and we are never allowed to speak against her in any way.

So yes, he could put on some socks. But seriously, it gets old after a while. I would like to be able to feel my toes in my house on occasion, and not shiver while trying to make dinner. Surely people can come to a compromise instead of one person running the show constantly.

[info]moonlitdorian

February 25 2012, 23:04:46 UTC 2 months ago

I do agree with this, some. I am always cold, and while I can improve this some with sweaters and blankets, my nose and hands are always cold. And it's hard to do stuff under lots of blankets. But, the solution is probably to set the thermostat at a lower setting and use portable heaters to keep some rooms warmer than others.He can watch TV in a guest bedroom that is 74, She can be comfortable in another.

[info]shiori_hime

2 months ago

[info]hexkitten

February 25 2012, 23:53:48 UTC 2 months ago

This reminds me of a man I overheard a few weeks ago. He was saying that his wife's pregnancy was harder on him than it was on her because he had to deal with her mood swings.

[info]ambiviolent

February 28 2012, 01:45:13 UTC 2 months ago

O_o
....I have no words.
Probably a good thing.

[info]vixenesque93

February 26 2012, 07:22:36 UTC 2 months ago

If it weren't for the fact that they're in upstate NY, I'd wonder if my mom's asshole of an ex had remarried.

[info]ambiviolent

February 28 2012, 01:49:09 UTC 2 months ago

Y'know what, I wouldn't disabuse LW of his hilarious notion that his wife wants to leave because of her hot flashes.
I don't want to accidentally risk him convincing her to stay longer.
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